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Bill Gross Discusses the "Tipping Point" For Bonds; Does He Miss the Boat? Posted: 29 Jun 2013 10:23 AM PDT Bill Gross did not see this major selloff in bonds coming. He discusses the setup in his recent Investment Outlook called The Tipping Point. Much of the article is about how he almost tipped a ship while in the Navy. He uses the tipped ship metaphor to talk about the position in bonds. Gross says "Markets just had too much risk, and in PIMCO's opinion, too much hope for a constant QE and for the growth that it would produce. In effect, the ship was top heavy with too little ballast. Guess I should have known, huh?" That's water over the dam at this point so the question Gross asks now is "Well where does the ship go from here?" Here is a snip of Gross' explanation.
Emphasis by Bill Gross A Tipping Point That Won't Tip Gross' message is clearly "the ship has reached a tipping point but don't worry, the ship won't tip". Let's discuss each of Gross' three main points. 1) "The Fed's forecast is far too optimistic". I certainly agree with Gross that the Fed (and almost everyone else) is overly optimistic. But what if growth is not the Fed's only concern? What if the Fed is concerned about the bubbles it has blown in stocks and bonds? What if the Fed is concerned about renewed speculation in housing? Perhaps that scenario far-fetched, perhaps not, but at least some Fed governors have those concerns. 2) "The Fed's inflation target is 2%" OK, the Bernanke Fed has an inflation target of 2%. But Bernanke will soon be gone. Will the next Fed have the same target? Any target? Given that Janet Yellen is likely the next Fed Chairperson, it is likely but not a given. And how does one measure inflation? Will the Fed ignore housing like it did between 2002 and 2007? Will it at all look at brewing bubbles? 3) "Yields have adjusted too much" Have they? Let's assume that Gross is correct. Gross emphasizes the yield on a 10-year note belongs at "2.20% instead of 2.55%". Lovely! Let's once again assume Gross is right. The upside is 35 basis points. And what is the downside if Gross is wrong? Is this what things have come to? That's it's necessary to speculate on a gain of 35 basis points because that is fair value? And where was Gross on "fair value" when the yield was 1.5%? If it is correct to play for 35 basis points now, why was he in bonds when the yield was 70 basis points too low? Can you have this both ways? And why is this suddenly a "3–5% for both stocks and bonds" when he tweeted "@PIMCO The secular 30-yr bull market in bonds likely ended 4/29/2013. PIMCO can help you navigate a likely lower return 2 - 3% future." So, is this a 3-5% world or a 2-3% world? Questions abound and answers are few. I actually suspect Gross may have this correct, but what is the risk-reward if he is wrong? What if the bond revolt continues? What if the Fed has lost control? That's what Gross does not discuss, and that's where he missed the boat. For further discussion, please see Calmer Waters for the Bond Market? Gold? Worst Over? Mike "Mish" Shedlock http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com |
Posted: 28 Jun 2013 11:21 PM PDT An alleged "worst case scenario" shows the FHA could lose as much as $115 Billion. Since these worst case scenarios are always famously optimistic, the best course of action would be to shut the agency down. I was quoted as saying just that by the Heartland in Congressional Report Raises Spectre of FHA Bailout. The Federal Housing Administration's (FHA) losses over the next 30 years could be much higher than originally projected, according to the findings of a congressional committee. The dismal forecast has some bracing for another taxpayer-financed bailout.Mike "Mish" Shedlock http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com |
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